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Quote Javy81 Replybullet Topic: could our mls dreams be over?
    Posted: 25-August-2009 at 21:11
  According to Global news the roof project is on hold and may be canceled completely....we will find out next week when the new budget comes out. This could be disastrous.

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http://www.vancouversun.com/Place+roof+replacement+cancelled+report/1929299/story.html

VANCOUVER — The provincial government’s plan to fund a $365-million roof for BC Place Stadium has stalled and may even be cancelled, Global BC is reporting.

Construction on the downtown Vancouver stadium was expected to start soon after it serves as host for the opening and closing ceremonies of the 2010 Winter Olympics, and was part of a larger overhaul of the facility that was expected to be finished by the summer of 2011.

But a source told Global News on Tuesday that the roof replacement may no longer be a key government priority and it may be forced to pull its funding in the current economic climate. It means the project could face some serious delays or be cancelled altogether, the report said.

The provincial government unveiled plans in May 2008 to replace the fabric cover on the 26-year-old BC Place Stadium with a retractable roof.

Officials began looking at replacing the air-supported roof after a January 2007 storm caused it to collapse like an imploding souffle into the 60,000-seat facility, flooding the field and damaging seats and luxury boxes. It took crews about two weeks to re-inflate the fabric.

“We could do it at a time post-2010 when we think that the budgets will be better,” Premier Gordon Campbell said in May 2008. "We wanted, actually, to take the time to both do it right, to get the best value, have the most competitive bidding process.”

On Tuesday, while the B.C. government wasn’t willing to go as far to say the project is dead, it did concede that there are issues surrounding the bidding process.

“I think (the project) will have been delayed because . . . the bidders have agreed to hold their bids in place longer than anticipated,” B.C. Tourism Minister Kevin Krueger told reporters in Victoria.

Delays to the upgrade could also jeopardize the city’s hope of landing a Major League Soccer franchise. The Vancouver Whitecaps was awarded the league’s second Canadian franchise in March based on a bid that included a refurbished stadium.

“That won’t be a great scenario for us,” Whitecaps president Bob Lenarduzzi said of the possible delays or cancellations. “The fact that it was going to be an open-air stadium was something that was very appealing to the MLS.”

The world-class retractable roof, to be modelled on a design now used in Frankfurt, Germany, is part of an ambitious redevelopment scheme for BC Place and the north shore of False Creek. It was also scheduled undergo a major facelift, starting with renovated corporate suites and improved seating, disabled access, washrooms and concession stands.

The stadium is primarily used for the B.C. Lions football team, as well as for concerts and trade conventions. The football team was not willing to comment on the issue on Tuesday.

PavCo, the provincial Crown corporation that operates the stadium, also did not comment, only saying it is in the final stages of the bidding process.

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Quote piltdownman Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 21:35
I haven't seen any news on BC Place's roof. Source? ... as in link?
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Quote Javy81 Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 21:56
  No i looked for a link..it was PART of the lead story (the Throne Speech)...they mentioned that the bidding process is on hold, and mentioned that the project may be canceled all together...and they had a 2 second comment of Bobby saying that this would not be good for them
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Quote piltdownman Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 22:07
I'm going to say bullshit, and apologizes later if I'm wrong.

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Quote Javy81 Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 22:24
http://www.theprovince.com/Place+roof+could+delayed/1929284/story.html


another link:
http://www.vancouversun.com/Place+roof+replacement+cancelled+report/1929299/story.html


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Quote 86er Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 22:28
All that suggests is the roof might be a little longer to put up then expected. However, BC Pavco never gave an exact date on the project. They suggested possibly in the summer, but were not really willing to comment other than that was a possibility they were looking at that. And that article only mentions that the MLS bid was accepted on the suggestion that the roof would be done, however, it does not mention that we could lose our MLS franchise.
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Quote Javy81 Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 22:31
  I never said that they mentioned we may lose our bid..i was just putting that question out there...and i added a second link with the exact story i saw on global
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Quote swangardregular Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 22:34
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Quote Jim Mullin Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 22:49
There's a lively discussion on this issue with Lions fans as well...

http://lionbackers.com/bc_lions/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17344
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Quote Johnnie Monster Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 22:55
Here's another take on it, from someone who has worked in news and in government (and whose wife is in gov't too).

Things to keep in mind:

1. Each September, the Legislature reconvenes. The throne speech comes in the first week, and the budget is introduced in the second week. The vote on the budget, which usually happens third or fourth week of September is essentially a confidence vote. If it fails to pass, we essentially head into another provincial election. The odds of it not passing are slim, given the Libs have a majority. That said, it's not a *huge* majority, and as such it is not unusual to postpone all major spending and economic initiatives until after there is absolute certainty the gov't will not fall. Standard operating procedure.

2. Some Liberal seats might not be looking so safe right now if we were forced into another election over a budget that does not pass. I would be surprised if the Libs were not analyzing the political implications of every single program and project that might be subject to cuts. The last thing they want to do is narrow the seat gap within the Legislature between the two parties.

The Libs will undoubtedly toast projects in NDP-entrenched ridings first, because those seats are already a lost cause. Then they'll try to spread the rest of the damage around the province best they can. They know their own supporters are pissed off already... the last thing they want to do is infuriate them.

3. Just to illustrate how dire the situation is - my wife's department has been ordered to refrain from ordering any office supplies until the end of the year. Not even PAPER. They are also being asked to voluntarily take one work day off per week without pay... because if they don't, 15% of the workforce in her ministry department will be laid off by New Year.

4. We've already heard how Tourism BC was swallowed up by the Ministry of Tourism. Now every single Crown corporation is under review, and possibly subject to re-organization. This includes BC Ferries, BC Hydro, TransLink, BC Transit, ICBC and.... (drum roll!) PavCo, which operates BC Place.

The roof bidding process may be temporarily on hold because they are about to roll PavCo into the jurisdiction of BC Buildings Corp. If PavCo is about to cease to exist as a legal entity, they can't continue accepting bids under its auspices.


Anyway, sorry for the frickin' history lesson here, but I would not be hitting the panic button yet.

BC Place is a massive economic contributor to the province. It needs a roof immediately, because the one it has is about to go tits up any second now. The roof is an absolutely unavoidable expense... and they will do it sooner rather than later, especially if the cost of materials and labour is only going to rise with time.

Any news of delaying the bid is almost certainly associated with the boys and girls in Victoria preparing for the worst, and shuffling bureaucracy to minimize the blow.

Best case scenario: Gordo decides to toast the whole BC Place site for condos, and waves the magic wand (Significant Projects Streamlining Act) allowing the Caps to build on Kerfoot's waterfront site without city approvals. That way Gordo collects quick cash for the Pavco lands to balance the budget, and they get a pile of labourers off the dole and working at two sites.... demolition work at False Creek, and construction in Gastown.


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Quote Jim Mullin Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 23:00
Originally posted by Johnnie Monster

The vote on the budget, which usually happens third or fourth week of September is essentially a confidence vote. If it fails to pass, we essentially head into another provincial election. The odds of it not passing are slim, given the Libs have a majority.


Campbell's party discipline has been flawless. There is NO chance of the budget not passing.
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Quote The Krammerhead Replybullet Posted: 25-August-2009 at 23:30
As far as I recall the Whitecaps weren't going to be playing on the roof of BC Place.  MLS needs Vancouver and the large crowds they'll draw.  Just look at the attendance numbers on their official site, most teams draw crap.  I can't see them turning them down.
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Quote vancouversoccer Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 00:29
What Johnny said is a good speculative assessment (although I doubt the government is going to crumble and that BC Place is coming down anytime soon...I owe Johnny and his wife a good dinner if either happen (yes...that's legally binding over the next month Smile)

I know nothing more than anyone else here knows at the moment, but I think we should all wait & see for now.
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Quote yaletownshane Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 00:51
What's funny in all of this if the Port Authority would be reasonable and get the waterfront stadium project built then this would likely be less of an issue.

The fact that it is a community revenue driver and a marquee sporting venue that is completely funded by private money should have the city & provincial governments falling over themselves to get this done.

The reality is that BC Place renovations will likely run over budget & the sale of the adjacent lands will be insufficient to cover the construction costs.

I know that the waterfront stadium is a dead idea but come on. I'm no genius but I can see this as being a win-win for everyone involved (Whitecaps, Vancouver city hall, the Port Authority, Provincial Liberals). All parties stand to benefit.

Whitecaps get to control their venue and the revenues generated while hopefully adding to a secure and competitive future for the club.

The Port Authority gains more land than they currently own which they can then sit on or sell or whatever else tickles their fancy. Either way they win. If I have 5 M&M's and you offer to give me 3 more if I give you 1 of mine then any way that you cut it I have more chockies!

Vancouver City Hall can spin this as a component of their strategy to revitalize the downtown east-side & gastown by improving the business & employment opportunities of the area.

The provincial liberals need to make fast friends with voters. This HST business is going to kill them come election time. They could spin this in a few advantages directions. The first that comes to mind is claiming credit for negotiating a suitable compromise with between the Whitecaps & the port authority. The result being millions of taxpayer $$ saved on a new roof that the Lions aren't screaming for (or are they?) while improving employment prospects in the downtown eastside/gastown corridor.


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Quote vancouversoccer Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 10:35
Bob Lenarduzzi was on CKNW this morning. He said the 1 month tendering delay mentioned by the minister was old news, and that they have been given no indication that the project won't go ahead.

He also said a roof cancellation could force MLS to review Vancouver's franchise.


EDIT: CKNW will be discussing the issue at 11am PST this morning.

http://www.cknw.com


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Quote piltdownman Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 11:18
Thank for the heads up. Is there a call in portion of the show?

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Quote vancouversoccer Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 11:28
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Quote masster Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 12:03
Originally posted by Johnnie Monster


Best case scenario: Gordo decides to toast the whole BC Place site for condos, and waves the magic wand (Significant Projects Streamlining Act) allowing the Caps to build on Kerfoot's waterfront site without city approvals. That way Gordo collects quick cash for the Pavco lands to balance the budget, and they get a pile of labourers off the dole and working at two sites.... demolition work at False Creek, and construction in Gastown.

  
 
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Not only is this the best case scenario given the current situation...this was the best case scenario IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
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Quote GhostDog Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 13:07
 I would be very surprised if MLS pulled our entry.
As the ciche goes "MLS needs Vancouver more than Vancouver needs MLS". 
We would be at the top of the league attendance-wise (even in an un-renovated BCP) and the Northwest rivalry between us Seattle and Portland will absolutely be the toast of the league.
 
Not to mention some of the dumps currently in use in MLS. Case in point....
 
Crew Stadium (I've heard "erector set" used to descrbe it)
CommunityAmerica Ballpark (small baseball stadium)
RFK (ancient, dilapitated)
Buck Shaw Stadium
Oakland Coliseum (see RFK)
 
Given that the waterfront stadium doesn't seem to be happening any time soon (or ever) I want BCP renovated and re-roofed as badly as anybody, but it won't be the end of the world if it doesn't happen. And who knows, maybe the Libs pulling the plug on the reno's is the impetus needed to get the waterfront stadium built.
 
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Quote piltdownman Replybullet Posted: 26-August-2009 at 14:00
Well I guess an apology from me is in order. Sorry I didn't believe you
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