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Quote piltdownman Replybullet Topic: Smoke Bombs and Chanting/Chatting
    Posted: 23-July-2010 at 14:16

I must remind everyone that smoke bombs and other pyrotechnics are strictly prohibited at swangard by both the club and the city. Not only could you be thrown out and have your season tickets revoked but you could hurt a fellow southsider.

Now I must admit in the past I have broken this rule myself and while I agree smoke bombs are fun and create atmosphere this is something that needs to end. The club has asked very little of us. Mostly no more beer cups on the field and no smoke bombs. In exchange they have helped us create the game day experience we all enjoy today. If we are unable to uphold our end of the bargain, we could see our benefits disappear as well.

Some of these benefits might not be obvious so to give you an idea of just last night what direct benefits I have as director of tifo: the poles, the drums, the banners and everything else are stored at the stadium in the whitecaps secure 'cage'; the prime ad boards in front of the southside are blank and the club allows us to advertise ourselves there free of cost; the club allows us/me to put up the giant poles behind the southside; I have control over 'southside' stadium access passes which allow me and helpers enter the grounds early and set up large tifo; the club has to pay around $300 for the cleanup of a confetti and streamers night, this is why we don't do it everygame, but on games like last night the club lifts the ban and pays for the cleanup; the club allows us to put up the southside advertising board and posters all over the stadium. And that's just what I oversee. You can look at other function of the southside, be it our events or media coverage and its the same.

So please can we stop with the smoke bombs.

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Quote Morbital Replybullet Posted: 25-July-2010 at 03:48
who keeps bringing them? isnt that why we used a smoke machine in the past?

jeeez, i go on vaca for one game and you guys cant keep it in you pants with the smoke bombs!

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Quote masster Replybullet Posted: 25-July-2010 at 14:19
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Now I must admit in the past I have broken this rule myself and while I agree smoke bombs are fun and create atmosphere this is something that needs to end. The club has asked very little of us. Mostly no more beer cups on the field and no smoke bombs. In exchange they have helped us create the game day experience we all enjoy today. If we are unable to uphold our end of the bargain, we could see our benefits disappear as well.
  
 
I believe the Southside and not the club deserve the credit for the game day experience that we have.
 
The club realizes that they need atmosphere and vibrant supporters if MLS is going to be extremely successful. That is the reason they are working with us, not becuse we have stopped throwing beer cups. To suggest otherwise is foolhardy and blind to reality at best.
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Quote Bad Gones Replybullet Posted: 25-July-2010 at 14:40

I'm just guessing ... but I think piltdown's point was that the city had every right to shut things down when things were going south (no pun intended).  Having VWFC on our side has allowed things to carry on and grow. 

I agree masster that the SS creates it's own atmosphere, and that the club needs that atmosphere.  But there's a "break even" point, and you can rest assured that if the SS was driving fans away due to their antics (not the antics now, but what COULD have happened) you guys would have been cut loose, or made persona non grata.
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Quote masster Replybullet Posted: 25-July-2010 at 16:08

^ Agree 100%

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Quote Bayern Munich Replybullet Posted: 25-July-2010 at 16:43
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Originally posted by piltdownman


Now I must admit in the past I have broken this rule myself and while I agree smoke bombs are fun and create atmosphere this is something that needs to end. The club has asked very little of us. Mostly no more beer cups on the field and no smoke bombs. In exchange they have helped us create the game day experience we all enjoy today. If we are unable to uphold our end of the bargain, we could see our benefits disappear as well.
  
 
I believe the Southside and not the club deserve the credit for the game day experience that we have.
 
The club realizes that they need atmosphere and vibrant supporters if MLS is going to be extremely successful. That is the reason they are working with us, not becuse we have stopped throwing beer cups. To suggest otherwise is foolhardy and blind to reality at best.
  
I fully agree with this as well. I wonder sometimes what the club would think if we had the numbers and enthusiasm that TFC have. I stil have the feeling that we are a nuisance to the club but they cant live without us.
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Quote Blue&WhiteArmy Replybullet Posted: 25-July-2010 at 16:48
^ We've been a nuisance to the USL/NASL target market (SUV-driving soccer moms and their little brats), but we are their MLS target market.
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Quote 86er Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 03:07
I actually agree fully with Brett. I think it doesn't take much to be respectful to the club and on minor stuff like this who really cares? Do the smoke bombs really add to the atmosphere? I say no. I know I've talked to people that enjoy our antics, etc. and are interested in joining but hate the smoke stuff. They said that was the main reason they don't want to join. The smoke causes breathing problems so they sit elsewhere, and secondly the fact that it drifts into the field and causes visibility issue for the players is the others. So... I really don't see the issue with not having smoke bombs...
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Quote capsfan88 Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 03:35
  I just want to throw in my two cents here. Those smoke bombs are a nuisance and irritating. When one goes off I see everyone covering their mouths with their scarves. How does that enrich the experience? Some of us, like Matt said, have breathing problems. I for one have to leave the section every time someone sets one off. I always have. Didn't this issue come up last season and everyone agreed no more smoke bombs? I was talking to someone on wednesday who wanted to join but was worried about the smoke bombs. She loves the chants, loves the atmosphere, but not a fan of the smoke bombs.

I also noticed tonight that there were plenty of kids in the section, most belonging to Southsiders it appeared. How would we feel if a smoke bomb went off and one of the kids got hit or tried to pick it up? What kind of liability is that for us an organization? While we are an adult oriented section, that doesn't insure us from liability, especially if it's something that's already prohibited.

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Quote GoF1903 Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 03:41

And very valid and valued opinions these both are.

We can't have smoke bombs. It's as simple as that.

It's against stadium rules, Club rules and the MLS fan code of conduct that we'll soon be bound with as soon as we buy our ticket. Once we draw up the official Southsiders charter/constitution/bylaws, it'll be in breach of these as well, which will see your membership revoked for a repeat offence.

Doesn't matter if it adds to the experience or not (and I personally like them but can also live without them).

What are people's views on the smoke machine though?

That's hypoallergenic. Does that also cause the same issues and problems for people out of interest?

 

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Quote tophdawg Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 10:05
I guess Ill put in something and all that I will say is culture clash.
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Quote Tim13 Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 11:36
 Smoke bombs are really passe at best and tired, old and lame at worst. Once something gets done everyone and their dog wants to copy it. Lets be a bit more creative and original. There has got to be some celebration ideas that we can do that won't get the Caps and us in trouble. Besides you do a smoke bomb once a game. I'd like to see something we can do every goal.

The TimbersArmy has us on that one and that bugs me no end!  Angry
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Quote Bad Gones Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 11:44

Something I discovered last night ... the grandstand LIKES confetti bombs!  Or at least the section I was in seemed to think the one I let off was appropriate and added to the celebration.  I'll be buying more Brett!

Smoke on the other hand Angry  Here's the thing ... bi-laws, allergies, etc aside, IMO it is completely uncool to subject the field of play to a smoke screen.  I feel that way when ithappens to our opposition, and at Thursdays match it happened to Nolly.  Bogus, and it makes the SS look foolish.  Keeping it in the stands is fine as far as I'm concerened.  Completely impossible at Swangard, but pottentially doable at Empire & BC Place (even though I seriously doubt either will allow them).
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Quote Tractor Boy Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 12:06
@Bad Gones, I agree with you 100%
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Quote Blue&WhiteArmy Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 13:07
I like the smoke machine, and it's hypoallergenic.  But do be on the safe side, let's only use it when the opposition goalkeeper is near the south end.
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Quote tophdawg Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 16:12
a smoke machine provided by the club is lame and pathetic, maybe the club should buy us a bunch of flags that we will rarely wave or make our overheads, wait maybe the club can get cardboard cutouts that look like fans and put pre recorded chants on so we can all talk to each other, that sounds like a great idea. .....................
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Quote GoF1903 Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 16:57

See, this is the kind of comment that really fucking annoys me Christopher.

It's fine to think it's lame and pathetic, I have no problem with that. I thought it would be shit myself but was pleasantly surprised.

What annoys me though is knocking the club for trying to give us something to appease the MINORITY of those in the Southside that want smoke. I like the smoke, but we can't have it in the form we saw on Thursday.

They tried to do something to keep everyone happy and this is the thanks they get. They didn't have to do squat and most clubs around the world certainly wouldn't have.
 
If you only knew how hard the board have worked with the club to let us do all the things we do - some of it at a cost to them. We are lucky to have a front office that appreciates the whole fan culture and wants to let us express ourselves as best as we can.
 
This isn't fucking South America or Italy. It's nothing to do with clash of cultures or any pish like that. It's to do with legalities.
 
The Caps don't own their stadium. There are laws and rules that have to be abided with or it's the Club that gets punished. And if you think the club won't punish us as a result then you're deluded.
 
Come MLS it'll be worse. They have their own fan code of conduct, which just by buying a ticket you're agreeing to. I've seen PNE security at first hand at the Lions game (as has Footy) and they're very heavy handed. They don't put up with any shit. Not to mention there will be bigger police presence as well.
 
It may not be to your liking, but that's no need to have a cheap pop at the club for trying to help us. look at where we could be without all their help and support. We may not even have a Southside area!
 
 
 
 

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Quote Morbital Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 17:31
well said gof.

we (as fans) need to look at the bigger picture, blasting to club for petty shit like this will get us (both sides) nowhere.

The smoke bombs are terrible, as are the flares, I've been burnt by the flares and can't breathe with the smoke bombs...

The smoke machine was a great alternative IMO. no it doesn't block out the sun, but who the hell wants that?


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Quote Blue&WhiteArmy Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 18:27
Originally posted by tophdawg

a smoke machine provided by the club is lame and pathetic, maybe the club should buy us a bunch of flags that we will rarely wave or make our overheads, wait maybe the club can get cardboard cutouts that look like fans and put pre recorded chants on so we can all talk to each other, that sounds like a great idea. .....................

With smoke bombs banned, it's either the smoke machine or no smoke at all.  Which do you prefer?
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Quote tophdawg Replybullet Posted: 26-July-2010 at 19:41
I would rather have no smoke bomb at all, we shouldn't have the club doing stuff like the smoke machine at all and if you really think I`m pissed at the club your gonna have to read the post again. heck I`m not pissed at the club at all, I like smoke and flares but if it will get people in big trouble it`s not worth it. so Read the post again and maybe you will get what I`m really pissed at.
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